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	<title>Comments on: Mage PvE Raiding Guide &#8211; Frostfire and Arcane Spec</title>
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		<title>By: Erasus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erasus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 18:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Final update, noticed that they mention Glyph of Scorch, and that it applies 3 times so cast it twice. (Provided you have improved scorch, I would hope so if you are this spec!)

http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42747#created-by

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Final update, noticed that they mention Glyph of Scorch, and that it applies 3 times so cast it twice. (Provided you have improved scorch, I would hope so if you are this spec!)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42747#created-by" rel="nofollow">http://www.wowhead.com/?item=42747#created-by</a></p>
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		<title>By: Erasus</title>
		<link>http://www.wowconfidential.com/maximize-your-characters-performance-during-a-raid/mage-pve-raiding-guide-frostfire-and-arcane-spec/comment-page-1/#comment-6742</link>
		<dc:creator>Erasus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 09:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also I noticed a majority of you were looking for spec&#039;s to base yourselves off of; first off let me mention that when you first start your gear off, I would start with a FFB, or a more fire oriented spec, arcane is very harsh on the mana, and once you get better gear focus on Arcane, a decent mana pool for arcane is around 20-21k mana, or know how to use your mana very very sparingly. I have played arcane for years now I never liked fire, but now I switched FFB, and I cannot help myself to go back to arcane... You never go oom as a FFB spec, it&#039;s amazing, but here is a run down of what my tree&#039;s would look like and a quick recap.

Arcane = http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0Vcu0IzxGuMtedcZbhf0o

For this tree it is a typical arcane spec, feel free to swap perhaps a few points, if you want to remove a few points the first two I would look into removing points from would be, The spell haste and the mana meditation, but other wise nothing should be changed, as an arcane mage I find the haste still useless. Yes you attack faster and you might be able to increase your DPS but at the cost of what? Going oom quicker before the boss fight is over? Expessially if your procs don&#039;t go off and you are spamming the hell out of Arcane blast. ALSO MAJOR NOTE as most mages don&#039;t spec into it, and I cannot for the life of me see a reason why, but the FROST WARDING, is very nice, 30% chance to get some mana back during a boss fight? Are you kidding me? Hell yeah I would love mana back, and a lot of people will go omg how does that apply? Just think of the fights it does apply...

FFB = http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#oZfVc0RhIhVubhcthIrcoc

This spec not, a lot of points can be swapped, perhaps the less threat for more range, but I will tell you this now you want the less threat, FFB can pump a ton of threat! and if you want you can get the Frost Warding, I sure as hell do, I find myself not ever really needing more than 30 yards away from a boss.

Final thing I would like to say if you armorying me within the dates that I do reply to this, forgive me my account was hacked and the majority of my gear is missing. In a final note, I played a paladin healer for a while and fell in love with haste, it was a healers best friend, but as for mages, I find myself really stretching to even look at haste, I still not have made a big movement towards it, I like the crit more, it keeps you ontop, and restores mana for the most of the spec&#039;s. Which is nice. So yes a 3 second FFB cast is much, but oh are the crits worth it. Also one last tid bit I know I am rambling but, I have recently discovered if you are using Runic Mana Potions! Oh no! There is better! Um.. Potion of Endless Nightmares? I think, it resotres life and mana! and more of it, although you do have to be seated for a few seconds, but that is fine! Well worth the wait!

Hope this helps to all you mages!

Erasus(Mage) - Gul&#039;dan (PvP)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also I noticed a majority of you were looking for spec&#8217;s to base yourselves off of; first off let me mention that when you first start your gear off, I would start with a FFB, or a more fire oriented spec, arcane is very harsh on the mana, and once you get better gear focus on Arcane, a decent mana pool for arcane is around 20-21k mana, or know how to use your mana very very sparingly. I have played arcane for years now I never liked fire, but now I switched FFB, and I cannot help myself to go back to arcane&#8230; You never go oom as a FFB spec, it&#8217;s amazing, but here is a run down of what my tree&#8217;s would look like and a quick recap.</p>
<p>Arcane = <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0Vcu0IzxGuMtedcZbhf0o" rel="nofollow">http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#of0Vcu0IzxGuMtedcZbhf0o</a></p>
<p>For this tree it is a typical arcane spec, feel free to swap perhaps a few points, if you want to remove a few points the first two I would look into removing points from would be, The spell haste and the mana meditation, but other wise nothing should be changed, as an arcane mage I find the haste still useless. Yes you attack faster and you might be able to increase your DPS but at the cost of what? Going oom quicker before the boss fight is over? Expessially if your procs don&#8217;t go off and you are spamming the hell out of Arcane blast. ALSO MAJOR NOTE as most mages don&#8217;t spec into it, and I cannot for the life of me see a reason why, but the FROST WARDING, is very nice, 30% chance to get some mana back during a boss fight? Are you kidding me? Hell yeah I would love mana back, and a lot of people will go omg how does that apply? Just think of the fights it does apply&#8230;</p>
<p>FFB = <a href="http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#oZfVc0RhIhVubhcthIrcoc" rel="nofollow">http://www.wowhead.com/?talent#oZfVc0RhIhVubhcthIrcoc</a></p>
<p>This spec not, a lot of points can be swapped, perhaps the less threat for more range, but I will tell you this now you want the less threat, FFB can pump a ton of threat! and if you want you can get the Frost Warding, I sure as hell do, I find myself not ever really needing more than 30 yards away from a boss.</p>
<p>Final thing I would like to say if you armorying me within the dates that I do reply to this, forgive me my account was hacked and the majority of my gear is missing. In a final note, I played a paladin healer for a while and fell in love with haste, it was a healers best friend, but as for mages, I find myself really stretching to even look at haste, I still not have made a big movement towards it, I like the crit more, it keeps you ontop, and restores mana for the most of the spec&#8217;s. Which is nice. So yes a 3 second FFB cast is much, but oh are the crits worth it. Also one last tid bit I know I am rambling but, I have recently discovered if you are using Runic Mana Potions! Oh no! There is better! Um.. Potion of Endless Nightmares? I think, it resotres life and mana! and more of it, although you do have to be seated for a few seconds, but that is fine! Well worth the wait!</p>
<p>Hope this helps to all you mages!</p>
<p>Erasus(Mage) &#8211; Gul&#8217;dan (PvP)</p>
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		<title>By: Erasus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erasus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 09:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing I noticed he left out and failed to mention in your rotation, if you are in a 10 man raid it can come to be an issue, but most of the time in a 25 man it will not be an issue. The damage bonus you recieve from TOtW, should not be forggoten, you benifit by putting this on mob (Including bosses) I suggest the mage slow, although the affect will not slow the targets attack speed or movement speed, it is still on there and you will gain a 12% damage buff. But in 25 man&#039;s it is easier for a root or snaring affect to be applied, I hope this small tidbit helped for all your mages!

Erasus  - Gul&#039;dan (PvP)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing I noticed he left out and failed to mention in your rotation, if you are in a 10 man raid it can come to be an issue, but most of the time in a 25 man it will not be an issue. The damage bonus you recieve from TOtW, should not be forggoten, you benifit by putting this on mob (Including bosses) I suggest the mage slow, although the affect will not slow the targets attack speed or movement speed, it is still on there and you will gain a 12% damage buff. But in 25 man&#8217;s it is easier for a root or snaring affect to be applied, I hope this small tidbit helped for all your mages!</p>
<p>Erasus  &#8211; Gul&#8217;dan (PvP)</p>
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		<title>By: Morffeus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Morffeus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 02:09:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So no firebolts ever as a ffb ,right ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So no firebolts ever as a ffb ,right ?</p>
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		<title>By: Revocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Revocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Jul 2009 05:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So very very nice in depth guide, I loved it, but I would like to critique one very very crucial point, maybe 2.

First off, Glyphing for Arcane Missiles is absolutely imperative for Arcane Raiding, it overall increases your dps much greater than Glyping for Arcane Power.

And second, Glyping for Mage armor is useless, always go Molten Armor even if you use Mage Armor more. Due to the &quot;Arcane Meditation&quot; talent, your mana regens at 50% while casting, Mage armor unglyphed is another 50%.

The mana regen &quot;cap&quot; for passive abilities is 100%, so you cannot benefit from that extra 20%, however there is no cap for abilities such as Innervate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So very very nice in depth guide, I loved it, but I would like to critique one very very crucial point, maybe 2.</p>
<p>First off, Glyphing for Arcane Missiles is absolutely imperative for Arcane Raiding, it overall increases your dps much greater than Glyping for Arcane Power.</p>
<p>And second, Glyping for Mage armor is useless, always go Molten Armor even if you use Mage Armor more. Due to the &#8220;Arcane Meditation&#8221; talent, your mana regens at 50% while casting, Mage armor unglyphed is another 50%.</p>
<p>The mana regen &#8220;cap&#8221; for passive abilities is 100%, so you cannot benefit from that extra 20%, however there is no cap for abilities such as Innervate.</p>
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		<title>By: Burninhell    Azjol-Nerub</title>
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		<dc:creator>Burninhell    Azjol-Nerub</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo WowC, I&#039;m a long time wow player, more casual these days.  And pride myself on my Priest healin Skillz.  But, since i&#039;ve started lvl&#039;n my mage, i can&#039;t stop, and have stumbled upon your very informative site.  Just as all others, my question is for personal improvements.  As being only lvl 68, what would be the best unfinished build route to lvl my last 12 and dominate the dmg meters.  All spec&#039;s seem easy to me and learn very fast, atm i&#039;m deep fire!  Seems like very low dps and i could be doing more.  Mid 700&#039;s?  28%crit with Molten armor.  No hit?  550sp?  Stats are close to accurate.  Help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo WowC, I&#8217;m a long time wow player, more casual these days.  And pride myself on my Priest healin Skillz.  But, since i&#8217;ve started lvl&#8217;n my mage, i can&#8217;t stop, and have stumbled upon your very informative site.  Just as all others, my question is for personal improvements.  As being only lvl 68, what would be the best unfinished build route to lvl my last 12 and dominate the dmg meters.  All spec&#8217;s seem easy to me and learn very fast, atm i&#8217;m deep fire!  Seems like very low dps and i could be doing more.  Mid 700&#8242;s?  28%crit with Molten armor.  No hit?  550sp?  Stats are close to accurate.  Help?</p>
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		<title>By: Yoddá of whildhammer EU</title>
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		<dc:creator>Yoddá of whildhammer EU</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 12:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is it possible to get a link here of your talent trees so i can figure out what type of tree i want plz, as i am a lvl 74 fire mage with some arcane, but i want to get a good PVE tree going to do more dmg, i top most other mages but trying to top some other classes is annoying, as fire has a longer cast time than frost and arcane it wood seem</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is it possible to get a link here of your talent trees so i can figure out what type of tree i want plz, as i am a lvl 74 fire mage with some arcane, but i want to get a good PVE tree going to do more dmg, i top most other mages but trying to top some other classes is annoying, as fire has a longer cast time than frost and arcane it wood seem</p>
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		<title>By: Stew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 05:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know of any lvl 80 raid bosses that you can &quot;snare/root/slow&quot;.  So can you explain why 3/3 Torment of the Weak for Arcane is neccessary?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know of any lvl 80 raid bosses that you can &#8220;snare/root/slow&#8221;.  So can you explain why 3/3 Torment of the Weak for Arcane is neccessary?</p>
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		<title>By: renzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>renzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi guys, i cant open the frostfire talent page from ur links. i can open the arcane talent page wich is mage with wowhead.
if i do open the talent page of frostfire i will get an talent calculator of the wowarmory in wich there is no point filled in, so i can fill them in myself. but i would like to know wich talents there have been used.
thanks, renzo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi guys, i cant open the frostfire talent page from ur links. i can open the arcane talent page wich is mage with wowhead.<br />
if i do open the talent page of frostfire i will get an talent calculator of the wowarmory in wich there is no point filled in, so i can fill them in myself. but i would like to know wich talents there have been used.<br />
thanks, renzo</p>
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		<title>By: Wiimann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wiimann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:50:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh ya btw im FFB :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh ya btw im FFB <img src='http://www.wowconfidential.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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